On this episode of the Secular Student Life podcast, Ryan Bell speaks with Alana Carter, a student at Nazareth College in Rochester, New York, about her deconversion experience and subsequent experience of loss. In the space of just a year or so, Alana lost her dad, her grandmother, her aunt, and then her cat. Some of these losses happened while she was studying abroad. Alana speaks with impressive wisdom and shares how she has faced grief as a secular person.

Then Ryan speaks with Garrett Price, a licensed professional counselor working in hospice in the state of Idaho. Day in and day out, Garrett works with those who are dying and the survivors they leave behind. His insights about grieving and mourning are deeply insightful.


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